How Ezio became Gamba?
[The original French versions of these two articles were published in L’Esprit du judo #51 (August-September 2014) and #52 (October-November 2014)]
Aged 55, the head manager of the Russian teams is highly awaited in Chelyabinsk. But listen to him carefully and you will understand that getting focused on these hometown World Championships could be a mistake. It’d be like watching his finger while he's showing you the moon of 2016 Olympic Games. The Italian coach is like one of these cyclist strategists. He knows that sometimes it may be cleverer to stay behind and let the race’s responsability on other shoulders. Japan or France first nation in August? Ezio Gamba would be very pleased. Because for him this event is not the real D-Day.
“There is a great man who makes every man feel small. But the real great man is the man who makes every man feel great.” This quote from the English writer Gilbert K. Chesterton looks like having been written to describe Ezio Gamba’s aura in 2014, as seen by most of the fighters or coaches who met him. As Chelyabinsk is just halfway to his next challenge – to lead the Russians on top of the nations at Rio Olympic Games, this time with men and women -, the moment has come to take a break. Who is the man behind the performance? What were the steps who led the kid from the clean streets of Lombardia up to the Kremlin’s reception room marble? How Ezio became Gamba? This is the question we asked to him and his closest during a 20-hours long cycle of interviews started in Rio de Janeiro in August 2013 and ended at Ezio’s birthplace, in Italy, in the first rays of summer 2014, in the heat of uchi-komi close to his son Giacomo, only 14 and already national champion in his age group. How Ezio became Gamba? If the answer sounds like a puzzle, here are some pieces for helping to understand a man behind History.
Time for a coffee in Brescia ©Mathieu Lupo/L'Esprit du judo
Part ½ - From Brescia to Beijing
Forza e Costanza. Created in 1886, this multisports club from Brescia is an Italian institution. It’s also the Alpha and the Omega of Ezio Gamba’s public life. That’s the place where he started, the place where he refreshes his mind at every crossroads of his carreer, and that’s probably the place where he will quit his shoes when the Russian’s adventure will be behind him. Second of a four children family, Ezio is "7 years old" when he enters for the first time in a dojo located Piazzetta Sant’Alessandro, “to do like [my] friends”. His mother is a book-keeper and his father an entrepreneur who loves hockey and karting. Before judo, Ezio practiced gymnastic during two years. His first coach is Mario Bernardini then, during one year, it will be Franco Capelletti – a man who will often be on his way later on.
Skiing. When he turned 14, Ezio decided to quit judo. It will last one year. "I wanted to focus on alpine skiing. I was spending all my thursdays, saturdays and sundays on Adamello slopes, close to Madonna di Campiglio station." Despite of winning important races in Lombardia, he understands that other summits are done for him too. So, at an age where it’s not ovious to decide yourself, he’s back to his first love. And the next three months will be like the three knocks of a career. On October 20th, 1974, he wins the National Cadets Championships in the -65 kg category. Three weeks later, on November 14th, he ends 2nd at the European Cadets Championships. Overall, on December 8th, aged 16 years and six days, he becomes vice-champion of the -70 kg category at the Italian Senior Championships – and black belt at the same time. Then he will continue on the same rythm during the following six months, and this is why on July 2nd, 1975, he officially enters the Rome’s Olympic Training Center.
Rome. These years are the pioneers’ heroïc times of the transalpine judo. From Rome, the -60 Felice Mariani will become three times European champion, 3rd at the 1976 Olympic Games and at the 1975, 1979 and 1981 World Championships. The -65 kg Sandro Rosati, 3rd at the 1983 World Championships. The -86 kg Mario Vecchi, European medalist in 1982 and 1983. With Daminelli, Pacitti or Majorana, these men are the heart of a group of athletes trained by Masami Matsushita. Matsushita? A 100 kg Japanese with a tremendous ashi-guruma. He arrived one day to the Fiamma Yamoto of Roma, coming right from Tokyo’s Kodokan after eight days of Transsiberian. His daily program is massive: 25% run, 25% power and 50% judo. On the mat, he’s based on many uchi-komis of various intensity. Five work paths are in the program: attack skills, defense skills, grip, sutemis and ne-waza. For Ezio, who is studying for his maturity in electrotechnics between two seoi otoshi and three ude hisigi juji gatame, there will be a before and an after this meeting. Four decades later, Matsushita, aged 71, is one of the main guys of the project created by his former athlete in Kemerovo, Siberia, for preparing the 2020 Olympic Games [cf. part 2/2, infra].
Career. Ezio Gamba’s career is often resumed in three words and one date: Olympic champion, Moscow 1980. This shortcut is far from the reality he went through. It’s fending off twelve more years of high level practice, with an European title (in 1982), another Olympic final (1984), two World finals (1979, 1983) and a prestigious victory – including the Best Fighter of the Day’s Award – in 1985 in Paris-Bercy during the Continental Teams World Cup. Overall, that’s hiding two crucial parameters who will definetely explain the way he will understand and practice his coming career of coach, years after. The first parameter is the age of his Olympic champion’s title. Of course there was a boycott during these Games – NB: even if they were not engaged in Moscow, no Japanese managed to win in that category between 1972 and 1992 -, to win at 21 such a big competition like Ezio did, can be seen as an appetite suppressant. Furthermore, the Italian was only 23 when he turned European champion. After that, the World title became his only goal. Two times runner-up, withdraw in 1981, injuried in 1985 and the bad fever he carried from the 1987 Mediteranean Games in Syria will play a big part in his loss of motivation. He got retired in the evening of Seoul Olympic Games, aged 29. Exacltly as did his current idol, the Swedish tennis player Björn Borg, who lost all his will to fight aged 25, after his fourth loss at the US Open final…
Setback. The second parameter fulfills two chapters on the 126 pages of Nato per vincere [Born to Win –ed.], the biography written in 1990 by the journalist Giorgio Sozzi, who passed away in 2012. The title of these parts is The second place’s curse. Indeed, before his Olympic title and despite of two Militar World champion titles, the Brescian had a tetanizing number of losses in final. Second of the World Junior Championships in 1976, three time runner-up at the European championships cadet and junior (1974, 1977, 1978), he also lost three big finals in the only year of 1979: European Championships, Mediteranean Games and World Championships. After Moscow, he will lose three more big finals: European and World Championships in 1983, and the Olympic Games in 1984. Try to understand how Ezio became Gamba means also put the finger on these thousands of eaten nails and these numerous inside enemies he had to beat first before managing to win against the British Neil Adams on this unforgettable July 30th, 1980, in Moscow, then against the German Karl-Heinz Lehmann on May 15th, 1982, in Rostock.
Ezio Gamba or the contemporary judo in full hands ©Anthony Diao/L'Esprit du judo
Interim. On September 27th, 1988, after being defeated by the Spanish Quino Ruíz in Seoul, the man without cauliflowers says goodbye to the mat. His weariness of the last months has to move on quickly, because life is standing right here, concrete. “A few weeks after I’ve quit, my father got a hard motorcycle’s accident. I had to replace him during a couple of months, leading his exhibition stands' society. When he came back, my father just gave me an advice: ‘Do what you want.’ I did so.” This manager-father, who passed away in 2008, was very important for this new Gamba who starts to lead men and projects. “Organize, set out, this was exactly his topic and his heirdom. On top of that, money has never been his priority. He loved his job as I love mine now.”
Tour. His friend Giorgio Majorana asks him to become the technical director of Forza e Costanza. Ezio agrees. In 1991, he starts the Italian Tour in Judogi. “It happened on Saturday and Sunday. We did training sessions and diners, plus we offered the possibility to sleep all together on the dojo mat when night falled.” The idea seduces and it is for free. From Brescia, the project goes until Milan, Venise… and then Rome, where the Italian Federation seems interested. “I said yes but with a condition: the Federation had to help for the costs because we were far from our basis…” Was it the starting purpose? The most important thing to remember is that this philantropic push ends with a federal proposal: becoming national coach of the italian junior team. Ezio answers “yes”. During an entire olympic cycle, he will be free to “understand and inhabit the function”.
Method. In 1996, a new sports director is chosen by the Italian Federation. His name is Vittoriano Romanacci and he is 54. He will lead the azure judo until Athens 2004 and Ezio will be part of the aventure. Who is Romanacci? From 1980 to 1992, he was in charge of the national wrestling team and picked up three Olympic medals. Despite of being a cleaving man – during his leadership, the double world champion Emanuela Pierantozzi would prefer ask the French Jean-Pierre Gibert to help her in her quest of an ultimate Olympic medal, in 2000 in Sydney -, he was one of the most important person Ezio Gamba ever met, maybe the most important. “Working with him made me realise that I was totally wrong till that day on physical preparation”. This disclosure was so huge that Ezio decided to try it by himself before teaching it to his athletes. His new religion? No more running and focus on muscle building. The goal was to be ready and fresh for the randoris, in order to be able to work on the performance, and only the performance.
Intuition. Beside this kind of revolution, Ezio Gamba got one of his greatest qualities: intuition. During the winter of 2002, Italian athletes had to compete without coaches during two months, including in Paris. The coming spring, they won seven medals at the Maribor’s European Championships. “During two months, they had to deal alone with all the hotels, breakfast and draws part… They learned a lot about responsability with that experience, and then the results came…” Stick to the project. These four words will become one of coach Gamba’s leitmotiv. Giuseppe “Pino” Maddaloni, olympic champion in Sydney and national coach, agrees with that point: “From Gamba, I learned all. He was already my coach when I was junior, and the simple fact to do randori with him made me proud! Today he clearly inspires me on my daily work as a coach. I try to not do the same training session two times in a row, and my athletes got to be ready to be able to make randori everywhere with anyone. Federate by surprise, that’s the key.”
Start. In 2004, Athens Games won’t fulfilled the expectations – the Italian team only won one single bronze medal. Vittoriano Romanacci decides to quit. Then Matteo Pellicone, the president of the Federation (who will pass away in december 2013), listens carefully the people who could come after Romanacci. Ezio Gamba is one of them. He would like to lead the team but alone, which is not easy in front of the Carabinieris, from where most of the national team comes from. “OK then, I’m out” are the last words of the Brescian… His next step? Forza e Costanza, his club from the scratch where he recovers the coordinator, Fabio Mestriner who shares with him two things: the same kind of magnetic closing glasses, and the conviction that “magic starts during childhood”. There, Ezio’s network and charisma will do a lot to boost the Mini Olimpiades concept [During ten weeks, sports and activities are proposed in the club. 800 to 1 600 childs aged from 6 to 14 are concerned every summer].
With Giorgio Majorana, his faithful old friend from Forza e Costanza ©Archives Ezio Gamba/L'Esprit du judo
Africa. Autumn 2007. Judo enters the new century for real. Marius Vizer, former president of the European Judo Union, becomes president of the International Judo Federation. In 2001, the two guys already talked about development projects. Now the timing is perfect and the support awesome. This is why in january 2008 Ezio Gamba enters in a kind of Guus Hiddink suit: he has eight months to help the Casablanca’s African Training Center to become efficient for the Games. During a couple of weeks, he goes to Cameroon, Senegal, South Africa, Egypt or Tunisia. Coming from Maghreb, Mashreq, Black or Southern Africa, his athletes now can provide of Ezio’s huge network. One day they’re invited to train in Japan, the day after in Germany, sometimes that’s other national teams who comes to train in Casablanca. “One day I had a call”, remembers Richard Melillo, unexpected winner of the European Championships in Paris 1983 beating Ezio during the final, and now owner of a restaurant in the South of France. "It was Ezio. He was cruising around with his African athletes. He said: ‘Richard, it’s impossible for me to not come and eat at your restaurant!’" This new way of coaching federate countries who normally don’t work together. By his side, Ezio learns a lot about “fatalism and understanding about the religious fact”. In Beijing, the Algerians Soraya Haddad (3rd in -52) and Amar Benikhlef (2d in -90 kg) will write during summer a new chapter of the success story, meanwhile the Egyptian Mesbah took the bronze in -90 kg. Is Ezio just a lucky guy or a kind of King Midas? If he is not prophet in his country, the Italian coach was noticed by another one, and not the least. In November 2008, Russia becomes his new challenge.
Part 2/2 – The Russian Years
November 12th, 2008. Three weeks before turning 50, Ezio Gamba becomes head coach of the Russian men team. Why him? Why now? Three months before, during Beijing Olympic Games, neither Kishmakhov nor Gadanov, Mezhidov, Bashkaev, Pershin, Gasymov or even Tamerlan Tmenov succeeded in ranking better than 5th. This fail was like a snub for such a huge country like Russia, especially considering two things. First, because it took place in China, the historical neighboor and rival. Second, because Vladimir Putin, the main man of Russia, isn’t only keen on judo – and judoka -, he’s also ambitious. For him, judo is the perfect manly and mediatical showcase to bring back home what Russia lost with the U-turn of the Gorbachev and Yeltsin years: cohesion, pride and, at the international level, credibility. The heroïc Russia of Dmitri “Rambo” Nossov – this -81 kg who took bronze in Athens despite of a broken arm and a bloody eyebrow – suddenly seems like peeling paint on an old Tupolev. Twelve years after the previous fail – no medals in Atlanta -, the lack of strength of Sergei Tabakov makes him becoming a suspended national head coach.
Quest. The Games are not finished yet. The Russian Federation is already in search of someone qualified and external to the political plots who used to cause sclerosis since so many years towards this unbounded mosaïc of speaking and cultural areas. Iron eye below velvet eyebrow, the Italian got the experience and the charisma that the function requests. He fought in four Olympic Games as an athlete – gold in Moscow, silver in Los Angeles – and coached in four others (three for Italy, one the African athletes, cf. part 1/2). Sergey Soloveychik, the current Russian president of the European Judo Union, and Arkady Rotenberg, vice-president of the Russian Judo Federation, will guarantee him in front of the President and his Prime Minister [NB: as he is not allowed by the Constitution to be elected three times in a row, Vladimir Putin will be Dmitri Medvedev’s Prime Minister from may 2008 to april 2012, before recovering "his" Kremlin seat]. Becoming first nation in London: the ambition is here and real recognize real. It’s full of nerve but with arguments, explosive then plausible. As a man of duty, Ezio first ends an ultimate promotional tour with Marius Vizer in South Africa. Then he is ready.
Flair. “On the day of the first training session, we understood that Gamba knew exactly what he was doing”. This confidence is from Tagir Khaybulaev. The -100 kg from Daghestan will become the most emblematic individual success of the coming Olympiad and, because of that, a definitive laudator of the Italian’s flair. Despite of his 5th place at the Russian championships when the new staff started, he made a good training camp in Tokyo a couple of weeks after, and got picked for the next international events [cf. EDJ39]. Weighing only 97 kilos, the Nikolai Petrov’s athlete took his chance. He becomes European champion in 2009, World champion in 2011 and Olympic champion in 2012… But is it only flair? Speaking about methodology, the rigor and the certainties of the “monk” - this is how some foreign athletes call him, impressed by his asceticism and his work’s capacities – are disconcerting for many people. “When I started in Russia, I made two lists”, minimizes the pragmatic technician. “On the first list I put the name of all the medalists we had at the national, european, world, junior, under 23 and seniors level. On the second list, I wrote the name of all the current coaches who have been Olympic or World medalists.” At the end, 150 athletes and 50 coaches were “auditionned”. Two paths were considered: “First, I could start with a group of 15 athletes in order to get ready for 2012. The other possibility was with a group of 50 athletes, and 2016 as main goal. This second option meaned the opening in 2010 of a training center in Siberia to prepare the 2020 Olympic Games.” This last proposal was the most expensive and implied to engage five coaches. But that’s the proposal the Federation finally approved. If it wasn’t a blank chek, it was close to.
Lezginka. The immediate following? Ezio Gamba already narrated it deeply [cf. EDJ40 and here], right after the Londonian triumph. The success he announced during four years was embodied, double symbol, by a morote of “Captain Tagir” right in front of the seat of President Putin – a man that Ezio meets a couple of times a year, unlike what happened in Italy where he only met once “in sixteen year” his own president. One of the most delighting things was to remember that a couple of months before these glory days, this “stranger” was accused of being “playing to the Russian roulette” by former coaches nostalgic of the Soviet years. It was also delighting to remember that the self-assurance he showed-off – “We will not go to the Games to take part in it, we will go there to win” - a couple of months before received most of the times a skeptical pout from most of the hometown journalists, and even from Alexander Mikhaylin himself. This man, who also made the effort to understand and learn the local language, can legitimately dance the lezginka with his athletes – this Caucasian dance we caught once in Paris will become a kind of trademark and will be executed again in Brazil, three months after London, to celebrate their world team title. The last judo’s Olympic gold for USSR was in 1980. In 1992, the Community of Independent States won two. In one week, Russian judo officially opened his Olympic counter. Neither one nor two but three times.
With the Russian "Drrream Team" who sat on the roof of the world in London 2012 © Archives Ezio Gamba/L'Esprit du judo
Block. The keystone of what History would perhaps name one day the Gamba’s doctrine can be resumed in one single word: team. Schematically, high level judo could be seen as a pyramid in which the group would be the basis, the performance the summit and the speech’s flow, the link. The individualities? They are part of one big all, wider. A flute solo can be nice to hear; integrated in an orchestra, it could become the Ravel’s Boléro, which crescendo seems to have been written to become the OST of the few 1 400 days between Beijing and London Olympic Games. Many big steps during this Olympiad will help this motley block to become homogeneous. First, the sense of reciprocity. It is inoculated since the roots in order that “each teammate can be one day the Tori of his partner and the day after his Uke” and that the club coaches could assist as often as they can at the national training sessions. Second, the “hit the minds” attitude. Elastic jump, parachute jump, “do like if you were eating a grasshopper to inspire them, because you have to be crazy if you want to be extraordinary”, or the spontaneous team’ solidarity when Arsen Gasltyan was in trouble in Azebaïdjan in 2011 because of his Armenian name … The language elements, to end. A glass will be “half full”, always. And there is no interview given to the Russian medias where both athletes and coaches don’t repeat the same number – “300” or “350”, like the number of days they spend a year training all together, mostly in Adler’s or Saint Petersburg’s basis – and a sentence (“History doesn’t allow subjonctive”) who sounds like a reminder of the three main ingredients of the success: work, work, work. The career’s objectives? Let it to others. “If someone is engaged in a tournament, it is for taking points, not only for him but also for avoiding the foreign opponents of our #1 to take some” once explained the boiling coach and former World champion Vitaly Makarov. Protect his family and get rid of the common enemy. It’s a crucial matter when the Games are coming, because belonging or not to the Top 8 can change a draw, maybe a life.
Cost. Right after London, meanwhile Mansur Isaev was asking himself Olympic champion’s metaphysical questions – “Hey, one single sheep won’t be enough for the mechoui. Bring me a bull!” -, Ezio was reaching new crossroads. The total investment he asks to his athletes and staff, he applies it to himself too, when he is not caught by his responsabilities with the European Judo Union. “Wake up at 7 am, stretching, breakfast, staff meeting, judo or physical training, lunch, nap or personal business, training, dinner, staff meeting, preparation of the day after’s program, sleep. Three days off a month, neither free pass, nor exceptions.” This investment has a cost, affective. His wife and two childs live far from him, in Brescia and now in Venezia for his daughter Sofia. However, things are clear. “Some people live together during 50 years but they don’t know each other, he confides once. My family and I are spending very few times all together but it is always unforgettable moments. And this experience will only last a couple of years of our life.” This sacrifice is seen as an example by people like Tagir Khaybulaev, a Skype’s addict like Mikhaylin and his five children. For him, “distance and time are making a natural selection with the people around you. Just a few of them will understand the meaning of all that. These ones are your real closest related.”
Rare and precious moments with his family © Archives Ezio Gamba/L'Esprit du judo
Constants. If the Russian men team trusted the London event, the situation was quite different for their women counterpart, who came back fanny from England. A new challenge for Ezio? Against all odds, his answer will be yes, and this was not only a matter of budget – we speak here about tens of millions euros, on it high range. He already understood the mental code of the country and, triumph on one side or fiasco on the other, his eight Olympic Games back in the mirror helped him to extricate three constants. One, it’s healthy to let the London heroes having a break during a couple of months. It will help them to refresh their mind and body. Furthermore, they will be available for the numerous requests they daily receive - and, to be honest, who knows if pleasing the big shots like this won’t be helpful in the future… Two, “Every new Olympic cycle is easier than the previous one. The tries of the former olympiade become lessons, and they will be helpful to build and move on.” Three, the good results of the men team is a good payback for the women team’s work . “Women liked the program since the first day.”
Reconstruction. The French coaches Patrick Roux and Jean-Pierre Gibert are privileged witnesses of that parallel but quite different story. They joined the Russian women team on January 2013. The group was just recovering of the strict Rakhlin’s years, and will know a before and an after Elena Ivashchenko’ suicide on June 15th, 2013 [cf. EDJ38 and here]. “At the beginning Ezio just asked us to observe”, remembers the former head coach of the British team. “Then the girls came gradually to us. They asked us to step in, more and more every day till they invited us to the restaurant, despite of the language fence.” On the Frederic Demontfaucon’s former mentor' side, the Gamba’s footprint reminds Pierre Hermann’s one. As the Italian, this outstanding figure of the French judo during the late seventies was able “to explain the why and the how in his speeches”. “He knows how to structure the chaos” bears out Patrick Roux... Nowadays, the Rio 2016 staff is made by two technical directors – Konstantin Filosofenko for women, Dmitry Morosov for men -, 14 coaches among them Tea Donguzashvili and Kamil Magomedov, two new retirees who give a strong human link between the generations, and three fitness trainers: Feliciano Marotto, Stefano Frassinelli and Aurélien Broussal-Derval. Feliciano and Stefano know Ezio from Italy. As Ezio, both of them learned a lot from Vittoriano Romanacci, putting the accent more on the specific judo than on the old and unavailing running sequences. Stefano Frassinelli, using wheelchair since a motocycle accident in 1991, works most of the time in Kemorovo with Matsushita sensei, the old professor of Gamba’s competition’s years. 40 girls, 60 boys, some in Sotchi, some others in Saint Petersburg. All of them are often in between two planes.
Chelyabinsk. Two years after European championships who showed a shining B-team and Mikhaylin continueing his ascent from the 48th to the 6th world rank, Chelyabinsk hosted this summer the World Championships. This evenemential voluntarism must be related with the organisation of the G20 in Saint Petersburg in 2013, of the Sotchi Olympic Games in 2014 and the Football World Cup in 2018. If the attitude of the Russian fighters was globally blameless – from the deep bows of Musa Mogushkov to the dignity, despite of a luxated elbow, of the -78 Alena Kachorovskaya, including the diner organised the evening following his competition by Tagir Khaybulaev for a dozen of his Samara’s old club friends – the team priority leaded to non-fights who weren’t clearly understood by the crowd, like it happened for the bronze medal contest in the -90kg category or, overall, with the four shidos “given” by Khan-Magomedov to Pulyaev five days before seeing the “loser” throwing by ippon the Japanese Ebinuma, triple world champion… The external communication, the next challenge?
Rio. What will Ezio Gamba do after Rio? On the Italian side, few people expect him to be back home for work, even if the promissing results of Giacomo, his 14 years old national champion' son, allow to think that he will be concerned for sure by the future of the Italian judo. On the Russian side, everybody knows that he’s already thinking about 2020 with the Kuzbass Judo Club Project started in Kemerovo where Masami Matsushita teaches daily on 6 000 m2 to the young squad “one, discipline; two, judo”. For the remaining part, Ezio will do like every December 31st, this only morning of the year where he climbs alone the mountain at dawn with his sealskins: he will take the time to think, breathing fresh air. “I’ll take three weeks with my wife and my children to decide about the following”. However will end the Olympiad, he will have to face the Nietzsche’s dilemma: “There are two dramas in someone’s lifetime: to miss your goals, and to reach them”. Rio will tell where the cursor will lean. At L’Esprit du Judo, we do have an idea of the answer.
Written and translated by: Anthony Diao
Special thanks for their help and patience during this year dedicated to the “puzzle” Gamba: Tony Marrero, Doctor Claudio Pietroletti, René Nazaret, Emmanuele di Feliciantonio, Christophe Massina, Yakub Shamilov, Islam El Shehaby, Rizlein Zouak, Amar Benikhlef, Sofiane Abadla, Baye Diawara, Aurélien Broussal-Derval, Jean-Pierre Gibert, Christophe Gagliano, Marcel Pietri, Richard Melillo, Pino Maddaloni, Pierangelo Toniolo, Raffaele Toniolo, Alessandro Comi, Andrea Sozzi, Nikola Filipov, Vitalii Dubrova, Patrick Roux, Vitaly Makarov, Emanuela Pierantozzi, Lorenzo Bagnoli, Fabio Mestriner, Stefano Frassinelli, Feliciano Marotto, Masami Matsushita, Alina Khaydarova, Dmitry Morozov, Ivan Nifontov, Tagir Khaybulaev, Ibrahim Iznaourov, Mathieu Lupo and the Gamba family.
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